---
title: "Trump Tells Boeing To Price A Comparable F/A-18 To The F-35—There Isn’t One"
description: "The problem is about total force capabilities and it far more complex than swapping out one fighter jet for another."
date: "2016-12-23"
modified: "2016-12-23"
authors:
  - name: "Tyler Rogoway"
    job_title: "Editor-in-Chief"
    link: "https://www.twz.com/authors/tyler-rogoway.md"
url: "https://www.twz.com/6663/trump-tells-boeing-to-price-a-comparable-f-a-18-to-the-f-35-there-isnt-one"
categories:
  - "Air"
  - "F-35"
  - "F/A-18"
  - "Fighters"
  - "News & Features"
  - "POTUS"
  - "Procurement"
tags:
  - "Boeing"
  - "F-35 Saga"
  - "F/A-18"
  - "Hornets"
  - "Lockheed"
  - "Procurement"
  - "Super Hornets"
  - "trump"
---

# Trump Tells Boeing To Price A Comparable F/A-18 To The F-35—There Isn’t One

![](<https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/images-by-url-twz/content/archive-images/asas1d.jpg>)
*www.twz.com*

[Commander-in-Chief to be Trump](<https://www.twz.com/5960/how-president-trump-will-change-americas-military-and-foreign-policy.md>) is back at it again. He has taken [plunge into the Pentagon procurement wars](<https://www.twz.com/6459/donald-trump-spanks-f-35-program-talks-ban-on-industry-hiring-dod-decision-makers.md>) and the heads of Boeing and Lockheed—along with generals and admirals in tow—have visited his Florida estate [to kiss the ring and pitch their wares](<https://time.com/4614358/donald-trump-boeing-lockheed/>). Now he's tweeted that he is having Boeing price out a “comparable” F/A-18 Super Hornet to the F-35 because of the latter’s [cost and developmental overruns.](<https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-pentagons-concurrency-myth-is-now-available-in-supe-1689810660>)

https://twitter.com/_/status/812061677160202240

The only problem is that there is [no Super Hornet comparable](<https://www.twz.com/6147/canada-to-purchase-18-super-hornets-while-future-fighter-competition-looms.md>) to the F-35, and there never will be. First off, there is a short takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) variant of the F-35, something the Super Hornet family cannot offer. Additionally, Boeing has quietly played with [the idea of a very stealthy Hornet](<https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/mysterious-stealth-f-a-18-test-article-is-indeed-a-full-1728834162>) adaptation, most likely an unmanned one, but it didn’t seem to go anywhere. Even if the F-35 program were cancelled—which has become nearly unthinkable—major force structure investments in other platforms would be necessary to have the proper capabilities mix. Otherwise there will be a massive capabilities gap left behind [by the already 20+ year old](<https://www.twz.com/6544/the-f-35-joint-strike-fighter-flew-for-the-first-time-10-years-ago-today.md>) Joint Strike Fighter program

For instance, if the F-35 were no more, the USAF would have [to put the F-22 back into production](<https://www.twz.com/3687/now-the-head-of-the-usaf-is-jumping-on-the-f-22-production-re-start-bandwagon.md>), purchase more F-16s and possibly F-15s. Heavier investments in [advanced Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAVs) ](<https://www.twz.com/3889/the-alarming-case-of-the-usafs-mysteriously-missing-unmanned-combat-air-vehicles.md>)and [long-range strike, namely the B-21 Raider](<https://www.twz.com/5240/the-name-of-the-usafs-new-b-21-stealth-bomber-is.md>), would also need to go along with it. This is precisely the force structure I have pushed for many years.

Likewise for the Navy (which is the service that Trump might be talking about exclusively here) more Super Hornets and Growlers would be a relevant choice, but they would need to be paired with substantial investment into fast-tracking navalized UCAVs into the inventory and larger purchases of standoff munitions—something I have proposed for many years.

The Marine Corps is a different animal altogether. Their [rapidly aging legacy Hornet fleet ](<https://www.twz.com/6407/pilot-killed-in-yet-another-marine-f-a-18-hornet-crash.md>)could be, and should have been, replaced with Super Hornets. Instead they opted to hold out for an all F-35 force made up mainly of B models and a smaller number of C models. Cancel the F-35 and the aged AV-8B Harrier would continue to serve indefinitely as the only short-takeoff and vertical landing (STOVL) tactical jet alternative to the F-35B.

![hornet\_hero\_lrg\_02\_1280x720.jpg](<https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/content/archive-images/hornet_hero_lrg_02_1280x720.jpg>)
*Super Hornet Advanced. , *Boeing**

The Marines AV-8Bs can continue to fly for a couple more decades with the help of the UK’s GR7/9 Harrier fleet, [bought for parts by the USMC for pennies on the dollar](<https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/watch-harriers-launch-for-the-last-time-off-the-drenche-1749414851>). Still, axing the F-35B and keeping the A and C model would be foolish. The A and C models pay for the [F-35B’s STOVL capabilities](<https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/these-f-35bs-operate-off-a-ships-deck-in-the-middle-of-1703736195>) in a compromised design ([you can read all about this odd situation here](<https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/7-things-the-marines-have-to-do-to-make-the-f-35b-worth-1560672069>)). By eliminating the type and keeping the others, the US armed forces will never benefit from this design sacrifice. In fact, the [F-35B is the most relevant ](<https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/7-things-the-marines-have-to-do-to-make-the-f-35b-worth-1560672069>)of all F-35 variants, at least to the US.

It is tough to tell from a tweet what exactly Trump is talking about here, and maybe it's just a bargaining ploy. But if the President-elect has been informed that the Super Hornet alone, even [in its most advanced conceptual configuration](<https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-resumes-advanced-super-hornet-push-as-us-navy-425221/>), is capable of replacing the F-35, he is sorely and alarmingly wrong. The situation is far more complex than that, but with the right overall high-low capability mix strategy, a more flexible, [affordable](<https://www.twz.com/3629/surprise-surprise-the-usaf-cant-afford-its-fighter-fleet-past-2021.md>) and capable air combat capability can be had without the F-35, or at least with far fewer of them than the 2500 or so that the US currently plans on buying.

![f13-09625pr-2\_main.jpg](<https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/content/archive-images/f13-09625pr-2_main.jpg>)
*F-35B hovering. , *Lockheed**

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